i majored in english education. i wanted to be a schoolteacher and i wanted to go on to graduate school and get graduate degree and eventually teach in college. but i never finished graduate cool. >> host: why? >> guest: because i guess work out of the way. i came to washington for the six-week job and then i was going to go back to new york city. and i thought i'd work there. and i had hoped i'd work at the ford foundation and continue my graduate work. but i guess i just got so caught up. at the time i worked for senator maccarthy, it was before, during and after the vietnam war and his presidential campaign. it's really quite a turbulent time. in fact, i am convinced that mÉtis and 68 is probably one of the most years we have her there too. i have respect for maccarthy when he set up for the president against the war in vietnam and that really -- all of us on this staff were working 24 hours. so i put aside those that maybe there's still redemption. maybe i still have time. >> host: tania davis who is the produc